North American Princess said:
No need 2 be so rude or bitchy but whatever…we r who we r..and if u r judgemental while believing in basically nothing..so be it…once again, we r who we r…ur opinion of whether i’m religious or not means nothing…u r NOT God…heck u are not even muslim…so feel free 2 think whatever u like…ur entitled 2 think or believe whatever u want…free world and all that…we will have 2 agree 2 disagree on what constitutes religious…i could state that u r an apostate and all of that but what for…it’s not 4 me 2 judge ur belief or value system and determine whether it is better or worse or up 2 a standard i have in my head…u can be whatever u want 2 be..not 4 me 2 judge………guess u haven’t reached that level of intellectual sophistication yet…

I guess u were never a child either…u were hatched u as an adult from a stork or something i suppose…how nice 2 be born so perfect!

Nice not knowing u and thank u 4 letting me know that i was wasting my time…

I was going to delete the comment as I usually do with comments containing personal insults, but that wouldn’t be fair to your earlier comments on this site.

I did not share anything out of ego, but simply to answer your first comment in which you stated (I am religious). A comment by definition invites a response. You clearly don’t want discussion on your decisions in this area, so it would make more sense not to bring it up. I think those that get upset the most when their beliefs are questioned are the ones who are most uncomfortable with their beliefs, and you’re not just upset, your tone changed dramatically from all previous posts.

I’m comfortable enough about it, so feel free to comment on my belief system as you see fit. I comment on other belief systems all the time. Some people get insulted, others don’t. I’ve always been quite straightforward about my thoughts on this subject, so I don’t see how you could have been so deceived. By the way to be an apostate I would have had to have been a real Muslim first, and then changed my mind, but I never was one. Being born to Muslim parents does not make one a Muslim despite all tradition to the contrary.

Regarding “Being Judgmental”, If you look at your comments on this post as well as earlier comments on this blog, you use adjectives to describe me as well. It is part of the nature of dialog to weigh the opinions of the person you are conversing with. In fact, I think it would be insincere and deceptive to hide your opinion of someone from them.

True I do lack sophistication as you said. Like you I am merely a simple employee who works in a cubicle. I am neither sophisticated, nor do I want to be.

Yes, I was a child once. It doesn’t mean I have to like children. I’m glad I grew up.

Finally based on the last 2 flames, I see now why you were so enraged. You seem to associate religiosity with morality. So when I said you didn’t seem very religious you thought I was questioning your morality. Nothing could be further from the truth. I consider myself moral, even though I don’t follow any religion. I still know right from wrong.

Being religious means following the most basic rules of that religion. I don’t need to tell you that in Islam the veil is not optional for a woman. It is part of the 3awra which defines which body part a man or woman may display in public. The minute someone decides they’re going to follow one rule and not another, they automatically move from the religious category to the secular category. This isn’t even logic, it’s basic vocabulary.

Again, all the best.

U should surely know by now that wearing hijab does NOT mean u r necessarily religious

I agree, but to me not wearing it, automatically means you are not very religious. I didn’t define Islam.

I’m shaking my head at u right now…disappointed 4 sure

I’m glad the bubble burst. I’m only human.

this is between me and God..no 1 else

It was a statement of a fact you decided to share. We just disagree on the interpretation.

I’m guessing u r a non-practicing christian or muslim that doesn’t think much of religion

I’m an atheist/agnostic (depending on your definition) born to muslim parents who thinks quite often of religion.

so u can’t judege whether I’m religious or not…hell u can’t judge me at all..because u r just another human being

Actually people automatically make what you call judgments about each other regardless how well they know each other. All of mine were only based on what you wrote.

Teddy Bears love children…so I guess that I was also mistaken in my own assumptions…hmmmm

Agreed, I can’t stand children. Above all they don’t take responsibility for their actions.

If my definition of religiosity is all it takes for you to get upset, fair enough. I’m glad it happened sooner rather than later so as not to waste your time.

I wish you all the best.

he was born and raised in germany

yeah that will do it, I guess you’re lucky he didn’t drink beer too!

U should surely know by now that wearing hijab does NOT mean u r necessarily religious..go 2 the UAE..many WHORES there wear hijab…oh Hani Hani Hani…piety, faith, a connection with the Divine…come from the soul…from the heart…from the intentions of your actions…not from your wardrobe? I’m shaking my head at u right now…disappointed 4 sure…sigh

Also..stillettos…fashion choice dude…i also own Nike Air Shox, flip flops, sandals, flats etc…who said a practicing muslim woman had 2 be a fashionless non-entity? Even with the stilletos I’m covered from my collar bone 2 my toes…I am a practicing muslim Alhamd wal shukr lillah..yes I do NOT wear the hijab..this is between me and God..no 1 else…alhamdulillah I feel good about who I am, what I am, the person I’ve grown up 2 be and where I am going inshallah…but I respect everyone’s right 2 beleif or disbelief…I don’t know what ur beliefs r on religion but I’m guessing u r a non-practicing christian or muslim that doesn’t think much of religion…since u r Pali I don’t think u r a Jew… 2 each his own…like i said i don’t know what u r and i wouldn’t presume 2 assume anything about your belief or value system or lack thereof

B4 I GO i will u say that i agree with u…u r right…u know very little about me…so u can’t judege whether I’m religious or not…hell u can’t judge me at all..because u r just another human being…no better no worse…just another person..so my advice 2 u is 2 not rush 2 assumptions or judgements about people u know little 2 nothing about…u only know a person when u live with them or travel with them…

Teddy Bears love children…so I guess that I was also mistaken in my own assumptions…hmmmm

I don’t remember which grade but we were studying genes and for some reason i asked my teacher if there’s a relationship between eating pork and behaving like a pig…and to be honest i had a certain boy in mind. the teacher kept her mouth opened for about five minutes before she asked me to step out of class.

Since practicing Muslims and Jews aren’t allowed to eat pork, the boy was either Christian or none-religious. I’d guess there were Christians in your class based on your teacher’s reaction.

So, do you think there’s a connection??

I wasn’t sure if you were joking or not. No of course there’s no connection, I know plenty of pork eaters who are perfectly well-mannered. Pigs carry certain types of worms that are not eliminated unless you freeze, or cook the meat very well, but then Chicken carries Salmonella which can kill you if not cooked well. Regardless why would this affect behavior?

I should mention, I’ve tried pork, and didn’t like it (too hard), but I do like it in different forms:
eg. crushed bacon in a cream based pasta sauce (Carbonara) gives it a great taste and makes it thicker.
eg. White mixed veal/pork German sausages (Weisswurst).

Wallahi u make me feel like some kinda techno-dinosaur

Not at all. Computer Science is my field. I still haven’t a clue what yours is!

eventually the Khanazeer…Jeez I wonder who they will represent

It’s a surprise.

however, since I don’t think apes/primates are my ancestors it’s moot i suppose

Me neither, they’re more like a distant cousin of our ancestors.

I sometimes think that animals are, by far, more sophisticated and instinctual in a way we humans never could be…they follow a system and rules that they don’t stray from

I would guess you don’t own any pets, just based on your ideas about cleanliness.

even if I didn’t really fit into 1 of ur 3 categories..it’s an interesting theory

Most of the people who read/write blogs fit into the second category. The monkeys were just a sort of metaphor that nicely fit with the whole evolution theme. Plus it made it more fun for me to write, and I wanted to stick the Bush chimp pics in there too :) If it makes you more comfortable, call them (working class), (middle class), and (elite). I think I was too aggressive in describing how the gimps deal with the gorillas.

Firstly…were u and KJ separated at birth?

I would be honored.

but if u were an animal…i’d say u were a big ol’ teddy bear..yeah i know not a real animal but still…smiling

*points at the bunny*

I’m religious, affluent and probably will never have children…so I don’t know where I would fit in…besides I’m 2 pretty 2 be a gorilla, a chimp or a gimp

I hope you won’t be offended. I only write based on what little I’ve read of you, but I can see your beliefs are very strong in that you mention and ask for strength from the almighty very often. Still I wouldn’t say you are very religious (no veil, stilettos in public, etc..). I guess I was thinking of wealthy as in wealthy enough to not have to work to maintain the same standard of living. Oh, and There are some pretty hot gorillas out there :P

“Since people only mate with those of similar status”… I think this is definitely more common in the Middle East than in N. America..but then there is still a fair sized middle class here…nevertheless, people marry outside their social and income levels on a semi-regular basis here…heck, they don’t even care about age that much anymore…

I agree. In this respect I think N. Americans are superior. I was discussing this with a friend recently, and he explained to me that no matter how beautiful, educated, kind, well-mannered, a woman is, he would never marry her if her family were of a lower class (his expression was less polite). It’s the idea of nasab. In a western marriage I think you only marry the woman, and you might see her family a couple of times a year on holidays. Whereas the middle-eastern way is that you not only marry the woman but her whole family. They become part of yours. Westerners think of people as individuals, we think of them much more as a package (you, your family, your origin etc…). I was discussing with the same friend how in Canada, no one ever told me “just because you have the passport doesn’t make you Canadian”. I was considered Canadian among Canadians. In an Arab country it’s not like that, we always do our best to find some reason for division. Oh you weren’t born here, or your from the south , or you’re from another city, or your family were farmers, or your uncle was in jail, etc… We are individuals. Our own ideas and achievements are what matter the most.

we are only a ever few meals away from showing the carnivore in us…even the best of us…

Very true, you only have to look at children to see it. they haven’t learned to cover their instincts yet. It’s part of the reason I dislike children.

So my dear…I see a pattern of sorts slowly appearing…Donkeys, primates and then eventually the Khanazeer…Jeez I wonder who they will represent…lol…we r working our way thru the animal kingdom…perhaps we haven’t evolved as much as we’d like 2 think..:-)…however, since I don’t think apes/primates are my ancestors it’s moot i suppose…in any event I sometimes think that animals are, by far, more sophiscated and instinctual in a way we humans never could be…they follow a system and rules that they don’t stray from…we, on the other hand, are all over the place..unpredictable even when we often try 2 be consistent…

I liked this post…clever, sharp and even if I didn’t really fit into 1 of ur 3 categories..it’s an interesting theory…if u further developed it u could give Darwin a run 4 his money…

Firstly…were u and KJ separated at birth?…it’s cool how he totally gets u…lol…although a guy calling u a butterfly?…now how adorable is that!…good thing u r secure in ur masculinity…lol..teasin’ ya…sorry darlin’ but sometimes I can’t resist..the Princess in me…lol…i prefer 2 think of you as a sharp mind that sometimes likes 2 travel down the less travelled paths as well as a kind soul that enjoys amusing us…but if u were an animal…i’d say u were a big ol’ teddy bear..yeah i know not a real animal but still…smiling

I’m religious, affluent and probably will never have children…so I don’t know where I would fit in…besides I’m 2 pretty 2 be a gorilla, a chimp or a gimp…lol…maybe i could be a fruit…a guy i had a crush on once upon a time said i was a pomengrenate..and another compared me 2 a date tree…yeah Arab guys r so poetic..what i can i say…lol

“Since people only mate with those of similar status”… I think this is definitely more common in the Middle East than in N. America..but then there is still a fair sized middle class here…nevertheless, people marry outside their social and income levels on a semi-regular basis here…heck, they don’t even care about age that much anymore…

For the most part I agree with KJ and he makes some interesting points..but I must say b4 I continue 2 ramble on endlessly as I am want 2 do…what we fail 2 remember is that human history does not change much…sure we may advance technologically and the tools and philosophies or beliefs we use 2 attempt 2 dominate each other may vary…but in the end…there will always be empires…there will always be the haves and the have-nots, the rulers and the ruled…it will always be somewhat of a jungle out there…and as capable as we can be of showing incredible kindness…we are only a ever few meals away from showing the carnivore in us…even the best of us…

KJ is my shortest spam word of all, so you’re lucky :)

About going in circles, yeah it just depends on my mood when I start writing, and on what I’m thinking about at the time (which can be completely unrelated to the post).

That’s the thing with statistics, they aren’t set in stone. I didn’t really mean only middle-eastern countries in the post, but having said that, your very wealthy families are likely to be highly educated which is probably what made the difference.

Yeah abortion isn’t allowed, but contraceptives are although some types of Christians disagree with that statement because they think sex should only be used to have children and it should not be enjoyed! :)

just like u, i usually have a punch line and an intro, and i go in circles with the body of the post lol

i donno if i agree with all of this post, since i know a lot of ppl who r wealthy, very religious, and only have a couple of kids, they use methods of controling (not ending) pregnancies coz they know the world is becoming a bad place, and in the attempt of wanting to raise their kids right they sort of produce only 1 or 2 to keep an eye on them easily… aw inno ma ilun jledeh 3al wlad lol

What I love about your posts is how you flutter like a butterfly around a subject matter and disguise it as something else.

I actually start out writing the posts such that I can see the beginning and the end, but halfway through, I change my mind and take the post someplace completely different. It happens quite often. For example I was going to initially take my conclusion towards sexual repression and how that relates to George Orwell’s 1984, then I thought of Animal Farm, and the planet of the apes (the original movies from the early 70s, not the remakes since they haven’t got that far into the story), and decided I would have more fun writing about that!

True, my friend, and the recent crisis in Lebanon is just more proof. I know your stand on religion and you know mine

Yes, I only mentioned religion in this post from a statistical perspective. There are exceptions to these statistics for example Kuwaitis are wealthy, but still religious, and there are many secular people who decide to have lots of children based on cultural norms, but I think overall the trends relating religion to wealth and the likelihood of having many children are true.

If it is up to anyone to “save” the many crisis the Current Era is facing, it is the Gimps.

Thank you I knew you’d get the point of this post despite all of the fluttering butterflies!

But they’re gutless cowards and there’s no shame that I consider myself one of them Gimps.

Me too

it is then when Moogle Inc. shall commence the Moogle Invasion

Moogle even at his very worst would be a breath of fresh air

True, my friend, and the recent crisis in Lebanon is just more proof. I know your stand on religion and you know mine, and I often sometimes wonder that it has been taken too much out of context, or misinterpreted, or simply abused to the point that the Original Concept is completely forgotten.

In any case, from the way I see it, I don’t blame the Gorillas because they most have learned helplessness and “3a2lon 3ala addon” if you allow me to say that (I hate that phrase though). I don’t blame the Chimps either because they’re so beyond corrupt with greed and selfishness they border on Gorilla-illiteracy (although Gorillas are often surprisingly one of the most literate people and who have a greater understanding of life).

The people I blame are the Gimps. They have been where the Gorillas have been and they aspire to be Chimps without taking into consideration the negative side effects of upgrading - the more specialized they become, the more they lose other skills. And the more “responsibilities” they undertake - humans as a major one - the more likely they are to tick the clock a minute closer to midnight.

If it is up to anyone to “save” the many crisis the Current Era is facing, it is the Gimps.

But they’re gutless cowards and there’s no shame that I consider myself one of them Gimps. I realize that and I am begining to be more active to remedy issues, at least on a personal or local level.

I won’t deny that the clock most probably will tick midnight in my lifetime, and the calendar is going to be New Era, and regardless of who wins - Gorillas, Gimps or Chimps - the loss in the balance will be a crisis in and of itself, because there will be a “what now?” moment, and then there will be divisions in the winning party because, let’s face it, the world is designed to have Gorillas, Gimps and Chimps (in your definition or another).

And when this happens and people start killing themselves, it is then when Moogle Inc. shall commence the Moogle Invasion under the consent of Emperor Zizzy Balooba.